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Experimental protocol for observing single quantum many-body scars with transmon qubits

by Peter Græns Larsen, Anne E. B. Nielsen, André Eckardt, Francesco Petiziol

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Authors (as registered SciPost users): Francesco Petiziol
Submission information
Preprint Link: https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.14613v1  (pdf)
Date submitted: Oct. 24, 2024, 6:39 p.m.
Submitted by: Francesco Petiziol
Submitted to: SciPost Physics
Ontological classification
Academic field: Physics
Specialties:
  • Atomic, Molecular and Optical Physics - Theory
  • Quantum Physics
Approach: Theoretical

Abstract

Quantum many-body scars are energy eigenstates which fail to reproduce thermal expectation values of local observables in systems, where the rest of the many-body spectrum fulfils eigenstate thermalization. Experimental observation of quantum many-body scars has so far been limited to models with multiple scar states. Here we propose protocols to observe single scars in architectures of fixed-frequency, fixed-coupling superconducting qubits. We first adapt known models possessing the desired features into a form particularly suited for the experimental platform. We develop protocols for the implementation of these models, through trotterized sequences of two-qubit cross-resonance interactions, and verify the existence of the approximate scar state in the stroboscopic effective Hamiltonian. Since a single scar cannot be detected from coherent revivals in the dynamics, differently from towers of scar states, we propose and numerically investigate alternative and experimentally-accessible signatures. These include the dynamical response of the scar to local state deformations, to controlled noise, and to the resolution of the Lie-Suzuki-Trotter digitization.

Author indications on fulfilling journal expectations

  • Provide a novel and synergetic link between different research areas.
  • Open a new pathway in an existing or a new research direction, with clear potential for multi-pronged follow-up work
  • Detail a groundbreaking theoretical/experimental/computational discovery
  • Present a breakthrough on a previously-identified and long-standing research stumbling block
Current status:
Has been resubmitted

Reports on this Submission

Report #2 by Anonymous (Referee 2) on 2025-4-25 (Invited Report)

Strengths

I agree with the 3 points listed by Anonymous referee #1 and don't need to repeat them.

Weaknesses

It seems to me that the authors have missed an opportunity to argue for the importance of observing a single many-body scarred state where there isn't a tower of scar states.

Report

I agree again with Anonymous referee #1 about the strengths and that this paper merits publication and won't repeat that. Instead, I would like to explain why it may be that the authors may have missed an opportunity to argue for the importance of what they are doing.

First consider simple isolated, bounded, quantum dynamical systems with classical analogs. It's extremely difficult to prove ergodicity for the classical analog. None of the proven examples I am aware of include smooth nonsingular continuous time Hamiltonians. In fact, loose arguments about near tangencies of stable and unstable manifolds seems to make it unlikely there exist such systems. Following Percival's argument in the early 1970's, both regular and irregular eigenstates would coexist in almost all smooth dynamical systems. For systems that are mostly chaotic or dominated by exponentially unstable dynamics, there would still exist the consequences of the Kolmogorov, Arnol'd, Moser (KAM) theorem, which is to say, very small locally stable regions of motion. Bohigas et al. Physics Report shows how that creates nearly evenly spaced sequences of regular states. These result from the quantization of the small stable dynamical regions (torus quantization) and are expected. The associated eigenstates are highly localized. There is nothing surprising about this.

The entire point of Heller's original introduction of quantum eigenstate scarring ('84) is that there is a weak form of eigenstate localization in the complete absence of any stable or effectively stable dynamics, and that this is the thing which is surprising. Furthermore, dynamical recurrences and revivals (not quite the same thing) are both associated with stable motion in such systems. There is a kind of "set of measure zero" exception discussed for chaotic revivals in the 90's, but unless specifically set up, one would not ever expect them.

These sorts of considerations translate fairly straightforwardly to many-body bosonic systems on a lattice, but of course it is much more difficult to translate these ideas to spin or fermionic many-body systems.

Nevertheless, it seems that if the so-called many-body quantum scars come with a tower of scar states and recurrences (i.e. uniformly spaced scar state energies, the distinction is that revivals need uniform 2nd discrete energy differences), then one's first thought is that perhaps there is nothing surprising about that, maybe it is associated with a small, but locally stable or effectively stable dynamics, and the many-body scarring or eigenstate localization in such a case is no more surprising than torus quantization is surprising (i.e. not surprising at all). One would have to demonstrate that there is no possibility of an effective locally stable dynamics for it to be related to scarring in Heller's original sense. However, the absence of a tower of scar states implies that there cannot be any such locally stable effective dynamics, and maybe then the use of the term "scarring" taken from the original context has a true many-body correspondence, and this is an indicator of a weak form of localization in the scarred eigenstate.

Requested changes

I would just request that the authors consider indicating some kind of a reasoning for why it is important to seek many-body quantum scars in a system without a tower of scar states.

Recommendation

Ask for minor revision

  • validity: high
  • significance: high
  • originality: high
  • clarity: good
  • formatting: excellent
  • grammar: excellent

Author:  Francesco Petiziol  on 2025-08-12  [id 5720]

(in reply to Report 2 on 2025-04-25)
Category:
remark
answer to question

We warmly thank the Referee for reviewing the manuscript, for the positive comments and, in particular, for pointing out the very interesting connection with Hellers’ original idea of quantum scarring. We now included a discussion about this aspect in the manuscript, following your valuable input, which we acknowledged and cited in the revised paper—please see the revised text in the introduction and in the abstract (a redlined version of the revised abstract and introduction is attached to this reply). We have also explained in more detail how single scars differ from towers of states and provided a broader introduction to the topic, as recommended by Referee 1.

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Report #1 by Anonymous (Referee 1) on 2025-1-12 (Invited Report)

Strengths

1 - The paper provides a very detailed experimental protocol on how to observe quantum scars in a superconducting system.
2 - It establishes a very good link between quantum many-body scars and superconducting circuits and opens a pathway towards new proposals for quantum many-body phenomenon.
3 - The paper is well-organized and structured.

Weaknesses

1 - The paper lacks the comparison between single quantum many-body scars and tower of scars states and why the former is interesting and also difficult to observe.

Report

In their manuscript, authors propose a protocol for the experimental observation of a single Quantum Many-Body Scar (QMBS). QMBSs are interesting due to their implications for thermalization theory and potential applications in quantum technologies, however authors claim that the experimental evidence so far has been limited to systems with towers of scar states.

The authors build on the theoretical framework presented in Ref. [10], where a family of 1D spin-1/2 models with single scar states was introduced. In this work, they identify specific Hamiltonians that can be realized experimentally using transmon qubits with fixed nearest neighbor couplings.

A key strength of the paper lies in its methodological innovation. It proposes novel experimental signatures to detect a single quantum scar state, combining trotterized dynamics, local observable measurements, and entanglement entropy quantification. I especially liked Fig. 1 where they describe the experimental procedure visually. Moreover, the paper is well organized, starting from an introduction to quantum many-body scars, setting the stage for the building blocks of the experiments, and to further validation of their proposed protocol through numerical simulations.

Overall, I liked the paper and I think it deserves a publication in SciPost Physics. However, I propose some changes in the manuscript to make this nice paper even better.

Requested changes

1) Introduction to QMBS: I really believe that a more extensive introduction to QMBS would be helpful for the reader. 2) Detailed explanation and comparison between single and tower of scar states: I think for a non-expert, the introduction really lacks a detailed explanation on both what is meant by single quantum scars and tower of scar states. The only relevant reference authors provide is Ref. [10] and this downgrades the paper's generality.

And a final suggestion:

3) Code and data availability: While the authors provide a lot of detail about their numerical simulations, publishing the code they used for the simulations would greatly enhance the impact of the paper.

Recommendation

Ask for minor revision

  • validity: good
  • significance: high
  • originality: top
  • clarity: good
  • formatting: good
  • grammar: good

Author:  Francesco Petiziol  on 2025-08-12  [id 5719]

(in reply to Report 1 on 2025-01-12)
Category:
remark
answer to question

We warmly thank the Referee for reviewing our manuscript and for their positive assessment of our work.

Concerning the requested change 1): We have largely extended the introduction of the paper to elaborate on the concept of quantum many-body scar in more detail, also discussing how it fits within the landscape of phenomena violating eigenstate thermalization. Please see the revised manuscript (a redlined version of the revised abstract and introduction is attached to this reply).

Concerning the requested change 2): In the revised introduction, we now address these points in more detail. We explain the concept of towers of scar states, discuss possible theoretical mechanisms leading to their emergence, and contrast them with single quantum many-body scars. We also expanded the discussion about single scars to further highlight their relevance and the motivation behind our work.

Concerning the requested change 3): We thank the Referee for this suggestion. We have stated in the manuscript that our
simulation code is available upon reasonable request, but prefer not to publish it at this stage. The reason is simply that the current version of the code is not documented and organized in a way suitable for publication and the co-author in charge of the code maintenance has left academia.

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